Wednesday
Mar102010
The Gary Null Show - 03/10/10
March 10, 2010
Today’s guest is Richard Gage and he is a San Francisco based architect and a member of the American Institute of Architects.
Also on today’s program, Erik Lawyer, a veteran firefighter with the City of Seattle and founder of the Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, a non-partisan association of firefighters who demand re-investigating the official 9/11 stories for the benefit of all the rescue workers who suffered injury and illnesses and died.





Reader Comments (24)
It is very important to both consider all of the evidence in relation to 9/11 and to take action regarding it.
One person who has done this, outside of any group is former Professor of Mechanical Engineering, Dr Judy Wood. She took action almost 3 years ago. You can find out about this action here.
http://tinyurl.com/911qtam
It would have been interesting to know what your guests opinion of this action is. It would be interesting to hear them talk about the evidence involved.
I wonder if they talked about it. If they didn't, it's worth considering why - and why they have not taken similar action of their own, based on physical evidence.
Thank You Gary for doing these 9/11 programs you are a true patriot.
Dear Gary Null & Fellow 9/11 Truth Supporters,
My name is Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez, and I am a medical student. Throughout my rigorous undergraduate science and medical science coursework, I have had the privilege of receiving extensive training in the process of scientific analysis and evidence-based thinking.
I am writing to you today not only as a medical student, but also as a concerned American citizen, to ask for your help with something very important.
Have you heard of Dr. Judy Wood? Did you know she has been researching 9/11 since 2001 and has already filed several law suits against NIST and Congress demanding a new investigation and requesting that NIST’s false data gets reexamined? Surprisingly, Dr. Steven Jones has not supported Dr. Wood’s legal attempts to push for 9/11 Truth. Dr. Judy Wood has received many threats due to the research she has done and evidence she has gathered, and 2 of her friends that were involved in Cold Fusion / Free Energy research were murdered. In contrast, Dr. Steven Jones has not filed any such law suits, nor has he filed his nano-thermite findings with Congress or NIST.
I. Dr. Judy Wood has already filed several legal cases against NIST and many suspected military / defense / weapons organizations in 2007, including Data Quality Analysis (DQA), Request For Correction (RFC), and Qui Tam (whistle-blower) cases. She is actively pursuing 9/11 Truth with her lawyer, despite the lack of support she has received from Dr. Jones and his followers. One of the many reasons I believe that Dr. Jones may be misleading the 9/11 Truth Movement is because Dr. Jones has not filed his nano-thermite findings with NIST or with Congress, when he should have done so long ago if he truly wished to further the 9/11 Truth Movement. The many legal documents Dr. Judy Wood has filed in her pursuit of 9/11 Truth can be observed here:
1. http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/NIST_RFC.html
2. http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.shtml
II. Dr. Judy Wood was once a highly involved member of Dr. Jones’s group, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, but Dr. Jones suddenly expelled her from the group a while ago, simply because he disagreed with her conclusion that some form of Directed Energy Weapon was used to demolish the World Trade Center buildings. Dr. Wood has gathered overwhelming evidence suggesting that a Directed Energy Weapon of some kind was used to vaporize (‘dustify’) the primary steel and concrete portions of the buildings into dust, while leaving paper, aluminum, and many other materials completely unharmed. She has collected an overwhelming amount of photographic evidence which led to this conclusion, yet Dr. Jones disagrees with her so strongly that he decided to ban her from the group.
III. It is important to consider the fact that Dr. Wood has actively been taking legal steps and scientific steps to pursue 9/11 Truth, yet Dr. Jones has banned her from his Scholars for 9/11 Truth group and has not supported her costly legal efforts to bring about a new 9/11 investigation. They both should be working together, but instead, Dr. Jones speaks negatively of Dr. Wood because he disagrees with her conclusions, even though her conclusions are strongly supported by evidence.
IV. After reviewing this evidence, it seems very possible to me that Dr. Steven Jones is pushing the nano-thermite theory to mislead the 9/11 Truth Movement down a false path to prevent us from finding out the true criminals behind 9/11, and the true cause of 9/11, which is related to Cold Fusion, Free Energy, and Directed Energy Weapons. Yes, the nano-thermite theory does account for some of the evidence, but it most certainly does not account for all of it.
"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." - Vladimir Lenin
V. Please thoroughly review the following information with an open-mind, for it seems as though we need to examine Dr. Jones’s motivations and figure out why Dr. Jones kicked Dr. Wood out of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth group a while ago, rather than collaborating with her to pursue 9/11 Truth. Please read this information thoroughly, for it is very, very important.
VI. Dr. Judy Wood received her B.S. (Civil Engineering, 1981) (Structural Engineering), M.S. (Engineering Mechanics (Applied Physics), 1983), and Ph.D. (Materials Engineering Science, 1992) from the Department of Engineering Science and Mechanics at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia. Her dissertation involved the development of an experimental method to measure thermal stresses in bi-material joints. She has taught courses including: Experimental Stress Analysis, Engineering Mechanics, Mechanics of Materials (Strength of Materials), Strength of Materials Testing.
1. Dr. Judy Wood, Ph.D - 'The New Hiroshima' Presentation (Part 1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1JFCpFd6CA
2. Dr. Judy Wood, The Hutchinson Effect, & Focused Electromagnetic Energy (Who Will You Tell?): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0EsJhEFz9A
3. Dr. Judy Wood’s website: http://www.drjudywood.com
VII. Please review the following evidence regarding Dr. Steven Jones, so that you can become familiar with all of the evidence that has led myself, and many others, to conclude that Dr. Steven Jones is purposely misleading the 9/11 Truth Movement. First he interfered with the Cold Fusion / Free Energy movement, and now it seems he is interfering with the 9/11 Truth Movement. Please review these links thoroughly, and with an open-mind, before drawing any conclusions:
1. ‘Hoax exposes incompetence or worse at a Bentham Open Access journal’: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2009/06/hoax-exposes-incompetence-or-worse-at.html
2. ‘Bentham Open editor-in-chief resigns after fake paper is accepted for publication’: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2009/06/bentham-editors-resign.html
3. ‘A Peer-review of Dr. Jones’s Research’: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=trouble_with_jones
4. ‘The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis’: http://drjudywood.com/articles/scientific/JonesScientificMethod.html
5. ‘Steven Jones' Contributions to Science, Humanity and the Planet’: http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/cc/CB.html
6. ‘WTC Molten Metal: Fact or Fiction?’ http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=60
7. ‘Thermite and Glowing Liquid Aluminum’ http://drjudywood.com/articles/why/why_indeed.html#Thermite
8. ‘Steven Jones, Cold Fusion, & Free Energy’: http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/JJ7.html
9. ‘Steven Jones and the WTC “Spire” video’ (2min 35sec): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO9Iv_4ZfNI
10. ‘No Thermite Used on 9/11’ by Andrew Johnson: http://911thermitefree.blogspot.com/
VIII. Here are some important questions to ask ourselves when comparing the conclusions of Dr. Steve Jones and Dr. Judy Wood:
• How come steel and concrete were pulverized, aluminum had electrical burns, but paper was unharmed? Nano-thermite and heat do not selectively damage certain materials, so how come thousands and thousands of paper sheets were completely unharmed?
• If thermite alone caused the destruction of the buildings, how come there are many reports of power outages and electrical failures in the areas surrounding ground zero during the attacks?
• If thermite alone caused the destruction of the buildings, where is all the molten steel? Thousands of pictures, yet not a single one shows large quantities of molten steel?
• If thermite alone caused the destruction of the buildings, how come the resulting steel and concrete dust clouds were not hot enough to burn the people it coated nor to set adjacent buildings on fire?
• If thermite alone caused the ‘collapses’, how come there was significant magnetosphere readings in Alaska at the very same time of the 9/11 attacks?
• Why was the Alaskan magnetosphere normal until immediately before and during the 9/11 attacks, when there was suddenly a huge surge in electromagnetic activity?
• If thermite alone caused the destruction of the buildings, how come countless vehicles located several blocks away from ground zero experienced metal warping and electricity-like burns and holes during the attacks, even though they were not exposed to thermite?
• If thermite alone caused the destruction of the buildings, how come countless vehicles located several blocks away from ground zero were flipped upside down or on their side?
• How come Dr. Wood has already filed several legal cases against suspected 9/11-involved defense and weapons companies and NIST, yet Dr. Jones has not?
• How come Dr. Wood has already been taking legal steps towards demanding a new 9/11 investigation, yet Dr. Jones does not support her legal efforts?
• How come Dr. Jones has not officially filed or shared his nano-thermite evidence with Congress, NIST, or any official governmental body? Why the delay?
• Why is Dr. Jones just now claiming to be “pursuing a new 9/11 investigation” when Dr. Judy Wood has already filed many legal cases to pursue such an investigation, one which made it to the Supreme Court?
• Why isn’t Dr. Jones and his affiliates supporting Dr. Judy Wood’s legal efforts to pursue 9/11 Truth, regardless of whether or not they agree on a theory?
• Why did Dr. Jones ban Dr. Wood from his ‘Scholars for 9/11 Truth’ group just because they had different conclusions about what destroyed the towers?
• Shouldn’t we all be supporting the 9/11 investigation that Dr. Judy Wood has already demanded with her legal cases, even if we do not agree with her conclusions?
• Why was I removed from the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth petition simply for asking Richard Gage to examine the research of Dr. Judy Wood?
• I have donated over $100 to AE911Truth, so why was I silently removed from the petition simply for bringing up Dr. Judy Wood to Richard Gage?
IX. Either Dr. Steven Jones is lying, or Dr. Judy Wood is lying. One of them is misleading the 9/11 Truth Movement, and the evidence points to Dr. Steven Jones. After thoroughly researching both of their stories and all of the evidence presented by both parties, I honestly believe that it is most likely Dr. Jones that is lying, and that he is using his fame and credentials to mislead the 9/11 Truth Movement in the wrong direction to prevent us from supporting Dr. Judy Wood’s legal actions and taking legal action of our own, to ultimately prevent us from finding out the true cause of 9/11 and the true criminals responsible for the attacks.
X. If you would like to email Dr. Judy Wood personally to discuss this matter further and possibly collaborate with her to more effectively pursue the truth about 9/11 by supporting her law suits and possibly her research, here is her email address (she has been swamped with emails lately and is rushing to finish her book so she can publish her research, so expect large delays in her replies): lisajudy@nctv.com
XI. Lastly, I should let you know that I recently messaged Richard Gage and AE911Truth to ask him to contact Dr. Judy Wood, and as a result, I have been removed from the Petition Signers list on AE911Truth.org, despite the fact that I have donated over $100 dollars to Richard Gage and his organization over the past several months. As of the morning of March 4th, my name was removed from the AE911Truth petition, so it appears that I have been removed from the petition simply for asking about Dr. Judy Wood. This is very concerning, because I have not done anything wrong by asking Richard Gage to talk to Dr. Judy Wood and consider her research, yet AE911Truth.org has removed me from their petition simply for asking about her once in a private email. In addition, Richard Gage has never replied to any of my emails over the past several months, not even one of them, but Dr. Judy Wood has responded to several of my emails in just the last week. Oddly enough, Dr. Wood predicted that Richard Gage and Dr. Jones would ‘blacklist’ me for mentioning her, and she was right.
I strongly support the 9/11 Truth Movement as a whole and I definitely think we all need to work together to share ideas and information, so I truly hope that you will consider collaborating with Dr. Judy Wood in addition to Dr. Steven Jones, so we can all work together to bring about real 9/11 truth and justice. Even if Dr. Wood’s conclusions do not resonate with you, we are all still pursuing truth and justice regarding 9/11, and therefore we need to work together. It is very concerning to me that Dr. Jones has chosen to outcast Dr. Wood simply because he does not agree with her conclusions, when he should be supporting her many legal cases. If Dr. Jones is indeed misleading the 9/11 Truth Movement, he needs to be exposed so that this movement can continue to make progress and move forward.
Please let me know how what you think about all this.
Thank you for your time, consideration, and help,
-Abe
Abraham Hafiz Rodriguez
M1 Medical Student
B.S. Biology / Neurobiology
3,000 miles away, I was in a state of relieved disbelief for 5 years after I watched on my classroom television BOTH towers collapse in the same way (symetrically, straight down into their own foundations instead of OVER into a more likely path of least resistance).
FYI: The steel inside, outside and around my classroom's kiln does not melt at the 1,600 - 2,232 degree F temperatures I fire it at.
Gary
I have been a huge fan of yours via KPFK in Los Angeles for over 10 years. (every Tuesday from midnight till dawn) You sir, are a top-notch health researcher, shaman and otherwise brilliant mind that is capable of tenacious activism.
I respect you even more now knowing that several years ago, you did not support the claims of the 9/11 Truth Movement. This only proves how open minded you are when presented with FACTUAL INFORMATION as you yourself provide time and again through reports you dig out exposing government and pharmaceutical companies criminal conduct to make profit.
Thank you and God bless you for having the courage to confront this most controversial issue. Most people are too “programmed” by mainstream media to think critically for themselves. Besides, it might be too frightening for the common American to even consider “we’ve been lied to about 9/11”. With your gentle and analytical approach, you could help millions of sleeping Americans wake up and unplug from the “Big Brother Matrix of Mainstream Media News”.
Most people aren’t aware of “Operation Mockingbird”. Exposed in 1975 through the Church Committee, this was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to infiltrate domestic and foreign media beginning in the 1950s. Google it. This is like an American Provda. We are living in a highly controlled society and patriots like you and your guests today are our only hope to break the “mind-meld” that the owners of our country has us under.
PLEASE have more programs like this on in the future!
Gary, I love your shows and I want to thank you for exploring 9/11. It takes a lot of heart to investigate evidence and to broadcast it too. It's nice to also know that fellow lefties are asking questions. Great job!
Gary,
Well done! The evidence for governmental complicity on 9/11 is massive and detailed. See, for example, "Why Doubt 9/11?" on the home page of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, http://911scholars.org, a society that I founded in December 2005, which lays out 20 refutations of the official account. Then visit the web site http://patriotsquestion911.com, where more than 1,700 experts across the spectrum of military, intelligence, scientific, humanistic, and other disciplines--including pilots and aeronautical engineers--explain why they do not believe what we have been told about 9/11. Then watch "Was 9/11 an 'Inside Job'?" on either the Scholars' web site or my blog at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com. I want to support you in every way I can. If you would like another expert, I'm game.
Bravo Gary for having these brave men on your show! The public needs to know what they have to say! The evidence has become insurmountable, and people in the truth movement just want our questions answered. There is NOTHING wrong with having questions....
On March 10, 2010, you had Richard Gage and Erik Lawyer for 9/11 Truth, on your show. I am impressed with your strong will, sharp mind and powerful spirit to cover this.
Thank you-
Joshua Freedman
The vertical beams were box columns.
They simply would've needed some power poured down their interiors, with an activator.
Thermate would've melted right through the steel from the inside.
History Channel showed a funnel like attachment filled with powder, the stuff melted downward and left the beam standing.
Pointless when the beams were hollow square tubes.
I'm so glad the Gary Null I respect and admire so much for his leadership in superfoods and health has delved into the great world of 911 Truth!!
Awesome!
Gary Null is badass!
Thank you good sir. You are a principled and intelligent man - I applaud you for your conviction. There are millions in America WHO WANT ANSWERS. Thank you for shining another light into the ugly corner of America. Your program helps cure our nation's ills born of deceit and imperialism. You are one among many, and the truth is replacing the lies we were force fed on 9/11/2001.
Gary, thank you for addressing 911Truth. Building 7 is the way in, though Richard Gage does not address it (we Love Richard Gage). How come a building, 47 stories, top eight floors on fire, collapses in a free fall demolition, and the owner of the building, Larry Silverstein can be seen on Youtube "We decided to Pull the Building.." which means demolish. Building 7 bis not mentioned ONCE by the 911 Commission report...does that make sense? and so much more. This is our Reichstag fire, and the illegal wars, the Stasi/KGB created Homeland (Fatherland) Security and the Patriot Act resulted from this act..so, putting the lie to their "truth" will demolish the edifice of artifice they have created.
Bless you, Gary.
Hi Gary - Thank you for having the highly credible Richard Gage on your show and for letting the truth to shine through! We owe it to the thousands that were killed and the millions that have been killed since to get to the bottom of this puzzle.
More and more folks are beginning to see that the Emperor has no clothes on; that the 9-11 official report was a sham; and that the growing reality is that most American citizens realize that they have been betrayed by certain high level government officials, yet they are not quite willing to admit that possibility to themsleves. Thank you for bringing these men to your program.
Gary - thanks for having the courage to address these issues in such a thoughtful manner.
Your two guests on this show were very clear and reasonable in their presentation of the evidence, and, wow, what they had to say really made me think twice about all of this. Why haven't we heard any of this stuff over the last 9 years?! I'm going to have to take a hard second look now at my whole understanding of 9-11 of all of the subsequent events related to it.
Thanks again!
Thanks for airing this on your show.
Erik’s story really strikes home with me. I bought the official version (more or less) for the first five years. Like most people I wanted to see Bin Laden’s head on a plate. I didn’t even know there were any large numbers of people questioning the official version and I used to watch the “mainstream news” religiously.
In 2006 I had access to high-speed-internet for the first time and inadvertently ran across a video named “9/11 Mysteries”. I watched it out of curiosity. I didn’t sleep that night. I watch it a second time and then watched every other video available on the event. It was like reliving the horror of 9/11 all over again, except this time without the blinders. My life has not been the same since and will never be the same again.
The evidence is overwhelming and irrefutable. We need to deal with this issue or America as we’ve known it is a thing of the past.
My only hope is that the people responsible for 9/11 won’t lash out with an even more horrific event to silence everyone, but that’s a chance we have to take. With the knowledge of what has happened comes the responsibility to act, regardless of the dangers involved.
I think JFK said it best ...
“A man does what he must - in spite personal consequences, in spite of obstacles, dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality.”
Thank you, Gary, for hosting firefighters for 911 truth. We owe it to those who lost their lives to be diligent in fairly and accurately seeking the truth. I have not yet listened to the interview but will do so. I support those who seek truth and honesty. Thank you for your contribution.
I guess it is better late than never! Why does it take supposedly intelligent people years to see what so obvious to many people the day after 9/11 happened.
Was Mr. Null afraid to go against the "official" version because he thought it would wreck his career and he would be labeled a "kook,". -- probably so? Gary Null is not an intrepid "patriot." If it took him years to see the truth, and only after getting beat over the head with a torrent of evidence, he is neither intelligent nor brave. Instead, he waited for the safety of numbers so his voice would be part of the chorus.
The problem with waiting so long is that it becomes d fficult to address and dispute the official conspiracy theory. Just think if there had been a hue and cry against the government's lies the following week after the 9/11 incident, rather than 10 years down the road.
By waiting so long, justice will be denied and 9/11 will be relegated to the same dust bin that now houses the JFK assasination and Pearl Harbor "conspiracies."
There will be speculation for hundreds of years, but there will never be closure nor will the true perpetrators ever be caught or accused, thanks to all those Johnny-Come-Latelys who finally opened their eyes much too late.
Thanks Gary
This is very important. I want my "Big Apple" back. I want the people there made whole and those injured first responders helped.
Thanks for your efforts to fill in the details about what happened on "9/11."
Alas, the greatest problem is not investigating what really happened, but rather knocking down the barricade of official lies.
It doesn't matter whether the politicians are "Demublicans" or "Republocrats." Both sham parties serve the same master, and that master is not the USA.
Dick Cheney and Larry Silverstein are two men who have far more knowledge of this 911 conspiracy than the general concerned public.
Both men are over 70 years old, and Cheney has had five heart attacks.
Silverstein made his famous "pull it" remark to the NYC fire chief while standing in front of WTC 7.
Dick Cheney spends his time in Jackson Hole Wyo. and St Michael's Island Md.
Silverstein has his home and offices in Manhatten.
If my son had to leap out of the 98th floor of one of those flaming towers , I would be camped out in front of the doors of these two men's homes in a sleeping bag and tent, demanding answers.
American people are sheepe, couch potatoes, sports and celeb hounds, while the inner circle elites of this country laugh at them pointing to thie success in the 911 scandal, gaining more and more confidence that they can get away with anything they want now.
WTC 1-2-7 controlled demolitions, the $700B taxpayer giveaway to Wall St fraud brothels , a 3 trillion dollar "attack" against Iraq and Afganistan, depleted uranium shell casings, bio-anthrax attacks, public murder, fixed Ohio and Florida vote tallies, drug cartel cooperation at the highest levels of the Federal establishment, on and on..
.......the main stream media is in lock step with it all.
A legitimate United States Federal Government doesn't even exist.
It is now just an out of control mafia of NY and DC based insiders.
The only hope for America rests with large media outlets in Russia and Japan that are growing in coverage of this monstrous 911 cover up.......
Support their efforts as best you can. Don't be a dimwitted moron
But looking to the bright side of how we are and where we are going in the great old USA: we sure as hell won't have any real capacity for continued world dominance to abuse for very much longer ... and just in the nick of time, too! or, we can still hope; right?
(At least W was essentially incompetent [had lost so many of his big shiny marbles already, etc], not to mention so frequently repulsive and revolting; but Obama seems to be significantly more dangerous actually, as in how he's able to so much more efficiently implement the agendas of the same old masters ...)
So the parasites in control now are rapidly endangering their own host sources of wealth and privilege through their hideously insatiable greed and corruption. They're even now sucking themselves into oblivion ... and the whole world will celebrate and try to recover some attempt to again support life and the living ...
Transmutation Without A Bang
Thanks once more for all Gary's good works and helpful scholarship. Thanks for progressiveradionetwork and so many good contributions. I have the highest respect for these.
However, Gary has not focussed on mechanical engineering subjects or challenges of physics scholarship, on his own shows, from the archives of the last few years-- Gary has instead focussed on subjects from biochemistry and vitality to subtle energies of mind and spirit-will... Therefore:
I want to commend Abe (way-above-coment) for mentioning the vital work of Dr Judy Woods. I just love her engineering scholarship and possibly even more her no nonsense, unbiased, analytical approach. Judy is the heroine without smear tactics and without ad hominan attacks. Truthers profess goodness of heart, but the technical areas concerning material sciences and high energy phenomena need much more caution. As a backyard scholar-- I see Judy has by far out smarted many giants, seen and unseen.
She has built one of my favorite websites-
http://www.drjudywood.com/